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Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby Allwood28 » March 16th, 2017, 10:53 pm

Hi - this is my first time on here so I hope I'm doing it right. I've found my gt grandmothers grandfather served in the 3rd Reg of Foot Guards (Scots Fusiliers) and have downloaded copies of his Muster sheet and pay list and I would like to learn more about him during that time - 1812-1817. There is possibly a royal hospital Chelsea Pension service record. It I can't find it. He was born 1796 Monk Fryston Yorkshire.
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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby jf42 » March 17th, 2017, 12:05 pm

Sue- I can't help you directly with your ancestor but it may help you avoid getting side-tracked if I tell you that the 3rd Regiment of Foot Guards was not granted the title 'Scots Fusilier Guards' until 1831.

This 'temporary measure' - frequently overlooked- lasted until 1877 when finally they finally assumed the title they bear today- the 'Scots Guards' - a name which they had borne informally for some time.

The National Archives WO12 Muster Rolls heading, a little unhelpfully, labels the catalogue subseries 1762-1877 '3rd Foot (or Scots Fusilier) Guards' because it includes the 45 year period that they bore the 'temporary' title of 'Fusilier Guards. In 1812-17, however, that title was a long way in the future.

It is worth noting, also, that at the same time- 1812-17- there was another regiment with equally complicated identity and nomenclature - The 21st Regiment of Foot (Royal North British Fuzileers) who are often referred to as the 'Royal Scots Fusiliers', although they, too, were not officially granted that title until 1877; on the very same day as the Scots Guards shed their 'Scots Fusilier' label- clearly, not a coincidence.

(In case you were unaware, 'North British' was an unfortunate euphemism for 'Scots' used on occasion in the c18th and early C19th, following the controversial Union of the Crowns in 1707 that created the United Kingdom).

The bottom line is that you should be careful of being distracted by the words 'Scots' and 'Fusilier' when researching your ancestor's service in the 3rd Foot Guards during the Napoleonic period.

On a separate note, it may help if you can ascertain which of the two battalions of the 3rd Foot Guards your ancestor served: the 1st or 2nd,

I hope all that is of some help, and hasn't just muddied the waters more.

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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby Allwood28 » March 17th, 2017, 2:29 pm

Thank you for the information - Joseph was in the 2nd batallion. I'm not certain how long he was in the army for but I think it was a while. He came from Yorkshire but his son was born in Portsmouth in 1820/21 so I wonder if he was doing anything with the army down there. I've had a search round and can only find a Joseph Dickinson from Yorkshire, same dob, who was on a Hulk ship moored in Portsmouth harbor! I'd love to learn more
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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby FBC-Elvas, Portugal » March 18th, 2017, 5:53 pm

A warm welcome to the Forum Sue. Good luck with your research.

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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby OXFORDMON » March 18th, 2017, 7:10 pm

A warm welcome to the forum Sue.

I have found your ancestors discharge certificate which tells us he fought at Waterloo and was discharged in consequence of 'short breath and bad feet'

If you would like to private message me your email address I will be glad to send it to you.

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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby jf42 » March 18th, 2017, 7:49 pm

Yes. I forgot to post this outline of the postings of 2nd Bn, 3rd Foot Guards during the time that Joseph Dickinson was with them, showing they had served at Waterloo, but appear not to have had anything to with Portsmouth.

1811 England
1813 Holland
1814 Belgium: Brussels
1815 Waterloo 2 Gds Bde
1815 France: Paris Army of Occupation
1816.01 England: London
1824 Ireland: Dublin

Does your reference to the hulks indicate what was your man's connection? I would imagine it's a very specialised area of knowledge. I wonder if anyone on NWF can comment.
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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby Allwood28 » March 19th, 2017, 6:25 pm

Hi - I think the Hulk reference was a wild guess from me trying to find out if Joseph was in Portsmouth around 1820/21 as his son was born there and his other children were born Yorkshire. I now know Joseph was a soldier until 1827 but his wife was from Yorkshire and they settled there later.
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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby jf42 » March 20th, 2017, 7:51 am

Out of interest, was he still in the Foot Guards when he was discharged? The 2nd Bn, 3rd Foot Guards left Ireland for Portugal in December 1826, and were stationed there until March 1828, helping the Portuguese monarchy quell political unrest.

It may be the prospect of active service abroad caused the weeding out of older Guardsmen who were no longer fit.
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Re: Private Joseph Dickinson

Postby Allwood28 » March 20th, 2017, 9:44 am

Hi - yes Joseph was still in the same regiment when he left. He served under Lt Col Charles Dashwood in 1815
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