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Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby jubry276 » March 20th, 2017, 10:23 am

Is anybody able to help me with any more information about the service of Henry Kingham? I have the following musters from TNA and medals etc from websites as shown. I am struggling to relate them to each other. I would very much like to know about the places he served.
Year Company

1811 Foreign Service Major-General Warren Marmaduke Peacocke
1812 Foreign Service Major-General Warren Marmaduke Peacocke

1813 Foreign Service Major-General Warren Marmaduke Peacocke

1815 command Lieutenant-Colonel Henry Loftus
1815 Foreign Service Colonel Hon. Alexander Abercrombie, C.B.

1816 Foreign Service Lieutenant-Colonel Hon. John Walpole
1816 Foreign Service Colonel Hon. Alexander Abercrombie, C.B.

1818 Foreign Service Colonel Hon. Alexander Abercrombie, C.B.
1818 command Lieutenant-Colonel John Waters

1819 . Lieutenant-Colonel Henry Dawkins
1819 sick Colonel James McDonnell

1820 sick Colonel Hon. Alexander Abercrombie, C.B.
1820 sick Colonel Hon. Alexander Abercrombie, C.B.

From Ancestry: Registry of pensioners who served in Canada: discharged 28th March 1821.
Lameness due to abscess.

Roll 75 of Individuals entitled to the General Service Medal and Clasp (or clasp only)
Henry is listed with clasp for S. Persia.

From Find my Past: In the list of Individuals entitled to Peninsular War Medal he is listed with two clasps S.V.
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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby jf42 » March 20th, 2017, 10:46 pm

At some point, you seem to have omitted the words 'Foot Guards' from your notes. Were you aware of this? All the officers whose names you have listed were associated with the Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards (2nd in seniority but only rarely referred to as the '2nd Foot Guards' or '2nd Regiment' - at least not within the Regiment, whose motto was 'Nulli Secundus', owing to their having been raised before the 1st Foot Guards back in the C17th.)

Your posting indicates, I imagine unintentionally, that your interest lies, rather, in the 2nd (Queens Royal) Regiment- which, despite its name, was not a Guards regiment

Might that explain some of your confusion?

Outlines of the Coldstream Guards' service can be found here

http://web.archive.org/web/200712200120 ... /f-2CG.htm
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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby jubry276 » March 21st, 2017, 9:40 am

Thank you....I did omit 'Guards' from my posting. One of the documents (attached) shows him being in Second Foot Guards. I am new to this! His name appears on the musters as having been serving under the officers I listed. I would like to find out where he was serving. He had a clasp for S.Persia, but I can't find anything about service there.
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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby OXFORDMON » March 21st, 2017, 10:04 am

A warm welcome to the forum.

The South Persia clasp reference is causing you confusion as this was not a clasp on the Military General Service Medal 1793-1814 but on the 1918 General Service medal.
"Thus the war terminated, and with it all remembrance of the veteran's services" Gen W F P Napier.
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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby jubry276 » March 21st, 2017, 10:38 am

Thank you so much. I can see my mistake now. No wonder I was confused! At least that omits Persia from my confusion.
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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby jf42 » March 21st, 2017, 6:30 pm

An important detail to identify in learning about Henry Kingham's service will be which battalion of the Coldstream Guards he served in. There were two battalions in this period, the 1st and 2nd. it may be that in the data you have already gathered, you already have secured this fact.

On the link I posted, you will find an outline of both battalions' service.

http://web.archive.org/web/200712162158 ... f2cg-1.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/200801091025 ... f2cg-2.htm
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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby Banker » March 22nd, 2017, 12:30 am

Regarding Andys response the clasp Persia you refer to would be on a India Medal 1849-1895. Not the 1918 General Service Medal which has a South Persia clasp and I think he would be a bit to old for that ;)

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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby jf42 » March 22nd, 2017, 8:38 am

Either way, the farthest east the Coldstream Guards ever got in the mid-C19th was the Crimea in 1854 (1st Bn). And Henry Kingham, even with two sound legs, would probably have been a bit old for that- although Lord Raglan still managed it; just.

As he was discharged for lameness in 1821, I guess the point is academic. :geek:
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Re: Researching Henry Kingham M/351917 2nd Regiment of Foot

Postby jubry276 » March 25th, 2017, 11:00 am

Sorry I haven't posted my thanks for information sooner but internet has been down. But the link posted by jf42 was very helpful and I have now been able to at least confirm his whereabouts for two battles, Salamanca and Vittoria for which he was awarded clasps.
My confusion wasn't helped by the fact that his Company Commander, Warren Marmaduke Peacocke was Commandant of Lisbon from June 1809 to April 1814, so I was trying to place my Henry with him.
However I have now looked up details of some of the other officers and found that they served in the same battles.
Two books which I had purchased and didn't help me, I can now find relevant information, so my brain is starting to make a bit of sense of it.
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