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Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby Josh&Historyland » December 17th, 2016, 6:28 pm

I've seen illustrations of the 92nd and maybe the 78th showing their drummers with reversed facings. But never the 42nd. What's the score on reversed facings for highland regiments during the French wars?

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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby jf42 » December 17th, 2016, 8:03 pm

The difference, Josh, would be that the 42nd RHR were a Royal Regiment with blue facings, and the drummers of Guards and Royal regiments did not wear coats in reversed colours.

In the C19th drummers of the 42nd would wear doublets decorated with two lines of 'Royal' drummers lace running longtitudinally down the sleeves from shoulder to cuff, one at the front and one at the back.

Their bandsmen either wore red coatees, or white 'waistcoats' (IIRC), while pipers, on the strength as private soldiers at that time, also wore red coatees until the middle of the C19th.
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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby Josh&Historyland » December 17th, 2016, 11:42 pm

I had a suspicion it was such. And I take it Highland drummers used the apron as well?

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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby jf42 » December 18th, 2016, 12:17 am

The apron...?
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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby Josh&Historyland » December 18th, 2016, 12:43 pm

Is it not called an apron? Whatever it's called, they wore a cover over the drumside leg. I take it the highlanders used this as well as the rest of the Infantry.
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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby jf42 » December 18th, 2016, 4:03 pm

Gosh- I just wandered off the continental shelf and straight out of my depth.

Yes, leg apron.This might be one of those mysteries, like the knee-pad for the left leg issued post-war, that you never see.

My only thought at this stage is that the movement of the kilt meant that wear was not so concentrated as it would be on the trouser leg. Apart from anything else how would you attach it?

You'll be hard pressed to find an image of one, that's for sure. Hence my blankness. They aren't seen that often in pictures of trousered infantry.
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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby Josh&Historyland » December 18th, 2016, 6:46 pm

Yes you don't see it much in 19th century stuff. Quite common in reconstructions and reenactors though, usually trousered regiments however perhaps due to the impracticality of putting it over a kilt.
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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby jf42 » December 18th, 2016, 7:56 pm

In addition, the cloth from which the kilt was made was perhaps tougher than the cloth used for line infantry trousers. The softer weave with which we are familiar wasn't adopted until the 1870s; not that a leg apron appears to have been deemed necessary after that change.
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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby Josh&Historyland » December 19th, 2016, 12:59 pm

Now on this musical line, I know the basic allotment of pipers was informal, but that drums and fifes were on the strength as it where. This makes me wonder, in this period, did Highland regiments have Pipe Majors or Drum Majors, or both?

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Re: Highland Musicians, reversed facings?

Postby jf42 » December 19th, 2016, 1:52 pm

Still tip-toeing back into the shallows here.

This book should provide the answer. I have not read it yet, but our colleague Frogsmile, over on VWF, strongly recommends it as 'indispensible' for information on this subject.

Music of the Scottish Regiments by David Murray ISBN-13: 9781858211190.

In addition, this article might provide some insight:
https://1812andallthat.wordpress.com/fo ... onic-wars/

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