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Hougoumont’s firepower in the wood :

Postby Iain » July 7th, 2017, 6:06 am

Hi All... A very quick question !

Taking into consideration that the Germans at La Haye Sainte did not have muskets, what did their compatriots use in the wood, the orchard and the farm at Hougoumont ?

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Postby Josh&Historyland » July 7th, 2017, 10:35 am

If they were jäger, they usually had rifles, if light infantry then they had light muskets.

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Re: Hougoumont’s firepower in the wood :

Postby Iain » July 7th, 2017, 5:13 pm

Josh&Historyland wrote:If they were jäger, they usually had rifles, if light infantry then they had light muskets.

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Thank you Josh..., Iain.

"Just before dawn on Sunday, 18 June, the troops in and around Hougoumont all ‘stood to’, ready for the French attack that might come at any moment. The rain was still falling, and it was a miserable, muddy awakening.
Lord Saltoun was in the orchard with his two light companies when a staff officer appeared at the head of a battalion of Nassau infantry, about 600 strong; these were the 1st Battalion of the 2nd Nassau Brigade in Papelotte, commanded by Major Büsgen; also with him were a company of 300 Hanoverian Jäger sharp-shooters from Count Kielmansegge’s 1st Hanoverian Brigade and about 100 picked Luneberg infantry from Count Kielmansegge’s Jäger Corps."

Here, the Jägers and Infantry seem to be one of a kind ! (100 picked Luneberg infantry from Count Kielmansegge’s Jäger Corps)
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Re: Hougoumont’s firepower in the wood :

Postby jf42 » July 7th, 2017, 6:28 pm

Iain-

These two paragraphs might help, from this article at:
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military ... light.html

Hanoverian Light Battalions: 1813 - 1815
By Ron McGuigan

"Light Field Battalion Luneburg

Light Field Battalion Luneburg was raised in 1813. By June, it was commanded by Lieutenant Colonel August von Klencke. It served in a Light Brigade with Count von Walmoden-Gimborn's Corps in 1813/14 in the campaign against Hamburg [April and May], in Mecklenburg [June to November] and saw action at The battle of the Gohrde [16 September 1813], in Holstein [December-January 1814], Blockade of Harburg [January-March]. It was stationed in the Netherlands 1814/1815 as part of the Hanoverian Subsidiary Corps, in the 2nd Light Brigade of the Light Division. At Waterloo, it was in the 1st Hanoverian Brigade. It was in France 1816-1818, in the First Brigade of the Hanoverian Corps of the Occupation Army. In 1814, it became the Field Battalion of the Luneburg Regiment. In the reorganization of the Hanoverian Army in 1816, it became the 1st Battalion [Luneburg Light Battalion] of the Luneburg Infantry Regiment.

Its uniform was based upon the uniform of the Light Battalions of the King's German Legion: green jackets faced black with grey trousers."

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"Field Jaeger Corps

Field Jaeger Corps was raised in 1813 of two and later 4 companies. Later under Colonel Friedrich, Count von Kielmansegge, it became known as the Kielmansegge Jaegers. It served with Count von Walmoden-Gimborn's Corps in 1813/14 in the campaign against Hamburg [April and May], in Mecklenburg [June to November and saw action at the battle of the Gohrde [16 September1813], in Holstein [December-January 1814], Blockade of Harburg [January-March], campaign in the Netherlands [March-April]. In 1814 it became the Field Battalion of the Gottingen Regiment. It was disbanded in September 1814 at Hameln. In April 1815, it was reformed as two companies under Major August von Sporken. At Waterloo, it was in the 1st Hanoverian Brigade.

In the reorganization of the Hanoverian Army in 1816, it remained the Field Jaeger Corps.

Its uniform, according to Hofschröer, was green jacket, grey trousers and a field cap similar to the Prussian type."
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Re: Hougoumont’s firepower in the wood :

Postby Iain » July 8th, 2017, 4:50 am

Thank you Jack…, very interesting ! But it’s surprising that with so much detail, Ron McGuigan doesn’t talk about arms.

Following Josh’s post, I suppose the 1000 men who arrived that morning (600 Nassau / 300 Jäeger / and 100 from Kielmansegge’s Jäeger Corps + plus the Germans who were already in the wood during the night) they’d have had 400 rifles ?

I’m not quite sure which regiments spent the night in the wood; (Brunswick and Nassau-Usingen troops I believe) so I suppose they would have had muskets.
Meaning that the 400 rifles were not in the wood.

Interesting note from Mark's post about the rifles..., "The barrel had a diameter of .653 which allowed for the firing of a .625 calibre ball that would be wrapped in a greased patch to help the ball grip the grooves in the rifling when fired. This was a smaller calibre than the .75 used by the Brown Bess."
Meaning that the ammunition provisions for the farm needed two types of shot. (not interchangeable)


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Re: Hougoumont’s firepower in the wood :

Postby 348 White » July 8th, 2017, 2:23 pm

Re the detachment of Field Jaeger Corps, Macready of the 30th Foot mentioned encountering this Hanoverian unit during 1814.
'It was comprised entirely of volunteers, who found their own rifles, many of which were beautifully inlaid, and everyman carried a haversack made of the skin of some animal' .
Many seem to have brought their own hunting dogs with them, Macready reckoning that the unit had three hundred dogs.
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Re: Hougoumont’s firepower in the wood :

Postby 348 White » July 9th, 2017, 4:47 pm

Iain wrote:
Josh&Historyland wrote:If they were jäger, they usually had rifles, if light infantry then they had light muskets.

Josh.


Thank you Josh..., Iain.

"Just before dawn on Sunday, 18 June, the troops in and around Hougoumont all ‘stood to’, ready for the French attack that might come at any moment. The rain was still falling, and it was a miserable, muddy awakening.
Lord Saltoun was in the orchard with his two light companies when a staff officer appeared at the head of a battalion of Nassau infantry, about 600 strong; these were the 1st Battalion of the 2nd Nassau Brigade in Papelotte, commanded by Major Büsgen; also with him were a company of 300 Hanoverian Jäger sharp-shooters from Count Kielmansegge’s 1st Hanoverian Brigade and about 100 picked Luneberg infantry from Count Kielmansegge’s Jäger Corps."

Here, the Jägers and Infantry seem to be one of a kind ! (100 picked Luneberg infantry from Count Kielmansegge’s Jäger Corps)


After putting in the quote about the Jager and their decorated rifles, I just noticed the passage above. The exact composition of the Hanoverians detached to Hugomount from the 1st Hanoverian Brigade for the start of the battle is one of the most continually fudged pieces regarding the Allied dispositions.
The most detailed accounts, as I glean them, give:
First company of the Feld Jager: Approx 150 riflemen going on its listed strength. (The other company was posted in a line of advance posts in front of it's parent brigade on the ridge.)
Skirmishers from Bremen Light Battalion: approx 50 men (probably with rifles)
Skirmishers from Grubenhagen Light Battalion: approx. 50 men (probably with rifles)
The Light Battalions were predominantly musket armed, but some had rifles. Illustrations of the Bremen Batt include green clad skirmishers with rifles, and each of it's four companies would have a skirmisher contingent.
The Grubenhagen Light Battalion is recorded in 1814 as having five companies unlike most other Hanoverian battalions, one of which was armed with rifles.
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