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Re: Austrians in Russia

Postby Senarmont198 » November 12th, 2017, 6:05 pm

It most certainly is an arguable premise, but the Austrians corps did very well in Russia, and was usually, if not always, victorious.

At Marengo, the Austrians lost and at Essling they won against a the French whom they outnumbered significantly. And they failed to drive the French into the river. It was a tactical success, but not a strategic one. And it should also be noted that the French nearly won except for the bridges...
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Re: Austrians in Russia

Postby Josh&Historyland » November 12th, 2017, 10:15 pm

Can't comment on how convincing their victories in Russia were as I'm not familiar with them if they were independent actions. It occurs however that if we delve into how close run a thing Essling was for the Austrians we can also observe how close a thing Marengo was for the French.

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Re: Austrians in Russia

Postby Senarmont198 » November 13th, 2017, 11:41 am

Excellent idea. Where would you like to start? Essling is one of my favorite battles and it was only an 'ordinary' victory for the Austrians, who held most of the cards in the action and were outfought by the French.

Marengo is also an interesting one, with the French coming out on top and taking advantage of the narrow win strategically, where Charles did not in 1809.
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Re: Austrians in Russia

Postby Josh&Historyland » November 13th, 2017, 12:50 pm

Marvellous. Let me look at my books & we can start a new thread about it.
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Re: Austrians in Russia

Postby Senarmont198 » November 13th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Great idea!
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Re: Austrians in Russia

Postby DaveH » November 13th, 2017, 11:37 pm

"As for the Austrians in 1812 in Russia, there is an excellent summary of their performance in Napoleon's Great Adversary by Gunther Rothenberg, 224-226. Rothenberg is still the English-language authority on the Austrian army of the Revolutionary and Napoleonic period. And Professor Rothenberg could speak German."

But you have not followed his inaccurate information on the Fuhrwesen in your own thread on artillery teams on TMP ....

Anyway, how do we measure "performance"? Were the Allies rubbish in 1991 when they did not advance in Baghdad? Is the French performance at Rivoli any good given the French had the Austrian plan? Is Lodi relevant, given that it was an unnecessary action? Has anyone about to be quoted actually read the Austrian material on 1812?
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