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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby jasonubych » November 8th, 2013, 6:24 pm

Stumbles on to this looking for Ross's in the Black Watch.
Private George Rose from spanish town Jamaica served in the 73rd 2nd Bat 1809-1817, then the 42nd 1817-1834 where he rose to rank of Sergeant.
Served at Waterloo with the 73rd where he was wounded in the right arm.
Described as a man of colour.
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby Andrew » November 10th, 2013, 12:18 pm

In his book Albuera 1811, Guy Dempsey quotes Ellis, The Black Soldiers of the 29th, detailing four black drummers in that regiment by the names of George Wise, John Freeman, Peter Askins and Thomas Bohannon. I have not seen Ellis's book, but this suggests there were others serving in the companies.
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby jasonubych » March 10th, 2014, 7:36 pm

jasonubych wrote:Stumbles on to this looking for Ross's in the Black Watch.Private George Rose from spanish town Jamaica served in the 73rd 2nd Bat 1809-1817, then the 42nd 1817-1834 where he rose to rank of Sergeant.Served at Waterloo with the 73rd where he was wounded in the right arm. Described as a man of colour.jason

http://www.scottishmilitaryarticles.org ... d_42nd.htm
Found this intresting article about George Rose today and Samuel Peters.
http://www.scottishmilitaryarticles.org ... LI1815.htm
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby FBC-Elvas, Portugal » March 11th, 2014, 9:49 am

Two interesting articles indeed Jason. The information in the Rose article about blacks receiving the same salary as whites and the issue of religion among the soldiers was new to me. I suppose his Waterloo Medal has been lost too.

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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby Josh&Historyland » January 22nd, 2017, 9:46 pm

Found this interesting painting on this site, apparently of Coote Manningham, there a black soldier in a leather hat behind the horse.
http://jjwargames.blogspot.co.uk/2015/0 ... -1790.html
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby unclearthur » January 23rd, 2017, 8:09 pm

Yes, that's an interesting hat. Anyone recognise it? The frogged jacket front suggest he's a cavalryman so a musician, maybe? Although he seems to be wearing a sabre, so maybe not :?
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby jf42 » January 24th, 2017, 5:10 pm

unclearthur wrote:Yes, that's an interesting hat. Anyone recognise it? The frogged jacket front suggest he's a cavalryman so a musician, maybe? Although he seems to be wearing a sabre, so maybe not :?


That's a fairly common form of Light Infantry cap from the last quarter of the C18th century, with pliable leather crown, designed to fold flat between front and back made of thicker leather. it became popular among volunteers and there is a well known series of illustrations showing the Light company of the 7th Royal Fusiliers circa 1799 wearing something similar. That one looks to have been laquered or maybe it was made of the same material as the General's hat as it is shown catching the light in a similar way.

There were local raised units of rangers raised in the W.Indies were there not? Might the black soldier be one of those? He appears to be holding a firelock which can be seen below the loins of Coote Manningham's horse.
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby Josh&Historyland » January 24th, 2017, 8:29 pm

At a guess I'd think you're right JF. Plenty of independent companies scattered about the Caribbean Islands after the American War, and amalgamated to become the West India Regiment.
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby unclearthur » January 24th, 2017, 9:48 pm

jf42 wrote:
unclearthur wrote:Yes, that's an interesting hat. Anyone recognise it? The frogged jacket front suggest he's a cavalryman so a musician, maybe? Although he seems to be wearing a sabre, so maybe not :?


That's a fairly common form of Light Infantry cap from the last quarter of the C18th century, with pliable leather crown, designed to fold flat between front and back made of thicker leather. it became popular among volunteers and there is well known series of illustrations showing the Light company of the 7th Royal Fusiliers circa 1799 wearing something similar. That one looks to have been laquered or maybe it was made of the same material as the General's hat as it is shown catching the light in a similar way.

There were local raised units of rangers raised in the W.Indies were there not? Might the black soldier be one of those? He appears to be holding a firelock which can be seen below the loins of Coote Manningham's horse.


Thanks for the hat info, JF :D
Not too sure about the other stuff - he's wearing Hessian boots and spurs over breeches and I'm pretty sure it's a sabre.
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Re: Black Soldiery in the Peninsular Army

Postby Josh&Historyland » February 1st, 2017, 6:42 pm

There's a great similarity between the cap & uniform of the soldier behind the horse & this soldier behind Boyd Manningham.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings ... gham-25504

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