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Re: Salamanca

Postby OXFORDMON » July 23rd, 2014, 11:54 am

Wellington himself, when asked at dinner once, claimed that the Nivelle was his his greatest ever victory, eclipsing even Waterloo. I can't remember where I read this now, if someone can tell me I would appreciate it :)

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Re: Salamanca

Postby Josh&Historyland » July 23rd, 2014, 9:32 pm

I've never heard that quote Andy, though it would make sense, Nivelle was a smooth operation.

I've only ever read the one when a man at a dinner party asked him what was the best thing you ever did by way of fighting and Wellington supposedly replied in one word "Assaye"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=w8-XAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=wellington+best+thing+you+ever+did+by+way+of+fighting+Assaye&source=bl&ots=gDlcDJTBcY&sig=GBQq7zCTntql67r3WbvTAof6euE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pSnQU53dMqWf7AaChoCICA&ved=0CCcQ6AEwBQ

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Re: Salamanca

Postby FBC-Elvas, Portugal » July 24th, 2014, 7:01 am

Andy, Nick Lipscombe writes in his recent book Bayonne and Toulouse 1813-1814 Wellington, when pressed early in 1814 as to which of his victories he considered his best in terms of planning and execution replied, "Well, I think the battle of the Nivelle was my best work."

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Re: Salamanca

Postby Nick Lipscombe » July 24th, 2014, 7:48 am

Andy,
The answer is F C Beatson (Wellington, The Bidassoa & Nivelle) p. 173 citing Sir H Bunbury's memoirs. Nick
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Re: Salamanca

Postby Mark » July 24th, 2014, 8:39 am

Thanks for the info, Sarah + Nick! :)

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Re: Salamanca

Postby OXFORDMON » July 24th, 2014, 1:30 pm

Sarah + Nick, I was racking my brains trying to remember, many thanks.

Josh, maybe he considered Assaye the hardest fight, and the Nivelle the best plan ?

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Re: Salamanca

Postby Josh&Historyland » July 24th, 2014, 9:42 pm

I think so Andy, it's great to hear this bit about the Nivelle, because it shows another bit of Wellingtonia, and shows how far down he would have put Waterloo on his list.

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Re: Salamanca

Postby jasonubych » July 25th, 2014, 2:27 pm

If I remember correctly, Wellington was quoted as saying Assaye was his bloodiest battle, which considering all that he had been through, is still a little surprising. Go the Ross-Shire buffs, the real Heroes of Assaye.

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Re: Salamanca

Postby Josh&Historyland » July 25th, 2014, 2:58 pm

Gurwood says that he told General Stevenson that "I should not like to see again such a loss as I sustained on the 23rd September, even if attended by such a gain" yes it is a tad surprising as he lost many more men in other battles. Perhaps it was how he felt at the time, it being the largest action he had been involved in yet, this is rather confirmed by his statement that it was the bloodiest for numbers he ever saw.
Then later in life he was asked what the best thing he ever did by way of fighting and replied Assaye, see above.

Salamanca though deemed by modern historians his finest hour, was never deemed so by him that I know of.

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